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 Post subject: Stalking Belief Systems 101A
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:48 am 
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Maybe this is "just basics", but based on some recent conversations with some forum folk, I think it's time to dredge up an old experiment and give it a new whirl. Basically, the question is... to what extent does our investment in our existing belief systems determine our experience of reality?

The purpose of this experiment is to stalk ourselves ruthlessly in an attempt to discover how much what we BELIEVE may actually prevent us from embracing the total potential of who we ARE.

So... here's how it works. You will need to isolate one of your belief systems. For example, if you believe we are already born whole and perfect, the experiment would be for you to intentionally shift your belief systems into a "character" of sorts who does NOT believe any such thing. How would your life (and your actions as a warrior) be different, for example, if you believed we are random accidents of DNA? What if you believed there was no "divine" purpose at all? We are neither perfect nor flawed, let's say. How would that alter your experience of reality?

If you believe in God or Goddess, try spending an entire day inside the perspective of an atheist. What if you are alone in a predatory universe, for example? What if the thing you have identified as "god" is really only a biochemical response in the brain?

If you believe the double is a reality, how would it alter your life if you suddenly believed there is no such thing? Or vice versa? If you don't believe the double exists, how might your actions and your experience of life be altered if you began to perceive an aspect of yourself that might FEEL extant... but is it extant at all?

The purpose of this experiment is to shift the AP out of its rigid belief systems, and allow for a different perspective. I won't tell you that it won't hurt. It very well might! I CAN tell you that if you are diligent, and allow yourself to set aside the sttatus quo, it WILL expand your awareness and provide you with some different insights.

By all means - please post your results!

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Della

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This is an amazing exercise! I have done this and yes, sometimes it can be profoundly painful. I did this exercise with God. At the time I was still pretty set in the Christian value thing....what a week or so that was! We often think the truth will set us free, and it will eventually but that one rocked my world and not in the good way.
The sense of betrayal I think was the worst for me.
In that time period I realized the wool had been pulled so completely over my eyes that I began to doubt everything about everything. Ultimately that was a really good thing for me, but at the time it SUCKED!
I see the value of this exercise.
I think what Im gonna do is say that there IS magic, and consciousness is a
byproduct of that. :shock: actually thats a pretty big one for me...now Im asking where does the magic come from :roll: oi!


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Maiveeta wrote:
This is an amazing exercise! I have done this and yes, sometimes it can be profoundly painful. I did this exercise with God. At the time I was still pretty set in the Christian value thing....what a week or so that was! We often think the truth will set us free, and it will eventually but that one rocked my world and not in the good way.


That's why I always caution people to be sure this path is what they want, because sometimes saying goodbye to our most treasured belief systems is like experiencing a death. I mean this literally - as I'm sure you know from experience.

Maiveeta wrote:
The sense of betrayal I think was the worst for me.
In that time period I realized the wool had been pulled so completely over my eyes that I began to doubt everything about everything. Ultimately that was a really good thing for me, but at the time it SUCKED!


The thing is, I don't think MOST folks really set out to deceive or betray us. I know that in my case, my parents, teachers & Sunday School teachers were just passing along the information that had been given to them. The thing is... I've always been one of those annoying types who asks too many questions. Like I've been doing with Aff, when I say, "Sure, light exists, but why do we believe it comes from God?" Could it not just as easily come from some other source - whether physical or metaphysical?

There were times when I tried to talk to my mom (a devout Christian) about her beliefs, but as her time on Earth grew shorter, I came to realize that her belief systems had become part of her. They had set down roots, and in her own heart, she had created THAT reality as part of her matrix. Did she really believe it? I don't know. For her sake, I hope she did. But ultimately, there were times when I would see that doubt in her eyes which not even "faith" can assuage. That was the hard part - wondering how one would CHOOSE to go on believing in something in which they clearly did not really believe...

I don't think she set out to deceive or betray me when she tried to upload her religion into my matrix, though I DO question the integrity of high-ranking religious leaders who CLEARLY know better, but choose to do so because there is gain in it (whether financial, power, or some other form of ego-motivated gain).

I've often said that the one man on Earth who would certainly KNOW there is no God is the one who tries the hardest to SELL God to the rest of us. Hint: he's Catholic & wears a funny hat. *heh*

Sorry, all. I don't mean to trample anyone's faith, but at the same time, I have come to see the value in a phrase Orlando coined many years ago:

The destruction of faith is the beginning of evolution.

Without faith, we are free to simply Be.

Maiveeta wrote:
I see the value of this exercise.
I think what Im gonna do is say that there IS magic, and consciousness is a
byproduct of that. :shock: actually thats a pretty big one for me...now Im asking where does the magic come from :roll: oi!


I think it's a worthwhile pursuit, M! My own task which I've set for myself is to challenge myself to say, "I believe in God, based on faith." I really wanna see what that looks like, so I'm stalking it toward a better understanding.

Thanks for being part of the experiment. :)

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